Revealing hidden truths: data from child abuse survivors to secure justice and recognition.
redress thoughts
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redress - recognise the wrong - this does not gel with the word redress
cultural needs of the survivor
access with minimal difficulty
partnering 9.44
NT more concerned about the $$ - no mention of future
NT for national scheme
missed it with the online system - primitive - should be in the video stream page
should be running twitter in a panel and their FB page
BR - does not address protection for adult survivors encountering ostracism, cultural, blocking, stymie - how is this to be addressed.
BR - victims have to deal with a foreign legal system when dealing with the Church - atheist survivors are still deemed christian by the church - any objection is deemed to be the mumblings of apostates
BR medical, early intervention - mental health issues (poorly described) but important that these connections are included in discussions - appears to assume that adult survivors do not require the same level of support as a child does today until their trauma has been addressed/resolved.
BR Cultural differences. Does this include atheist, non-believers, apostates (we are deemed vermin according to Cannon law which is allowed to operate in our country under its own cognisonce which has been shown repeatedly to have failed.
BR describes dysfunctional leadership 10.08
CHAIR National scheme
BR State based scheme alternative prefer National scheme
CHAIR asks what can we do o in the meantime
BR Misses immediate support and direct assistance for the victims. BR describes a political process does not mention immediate actions towards survivors - misses that aspects
CHAIR asks again
BR best he could come up with
CHAIR Separation from family
BR implied the survivor has med issues as a result of the support inability to recognise their trauma
BR recognise the loss to individuals - the losses in their life - what could have been for them
BR all the different levels of abuse and blockages encountered by survivors.
Noticed that people are not sworn in or affirm to speak the truth
GOV Victoria
ref Betrayal of Trust report - re recommendations.
Reform implemented in Parliament. (This needs to be 10.20 extended and described for survivors what this means for them individually - where are the bulletins to survivors?
Does not address the fact that the report began with a statement that exonerated religious organisations and in fact supported the Christian religion as being the most effective form of social direction.
CH re national scheme
GOV VIC Says she knows what we want - HOW?
Willing to engage with national scheme.
CH the 3
GOV VIC Recommends Victims of Crime ods the arbiter
CH Standard of proof
GOV VIC Plausability
CH Current satard in Vic
GOV VIC Balance of Probalilty
CH Significatnt step
CH Lawyers and hearing and examination
GV Can be depends on circumstances
CH When paper our
GV June
CH re Civil claims - guidelines.
GV Model litigant approach. Common guiding principles 2014 - a settlement process consistent and appropriate, less litigious, minimises trauma, less legal, greater consistency, also other needs re documentations other requirements such as disclosure (ref US additional aspects of the settlement)
CH re Ellis case Who to sue. ref catholic, anglicans and more.
CH
GF Common guiding principles
GV allegation made in writing (mine wer not done thei sway - can this also include
MURRAY
GV Would support a National scheme. If National scheme not up to Vic standard they will implement their own.
CCCCCC Standard of proof
GV Higher standard of evidence - likely Plausability.
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Coalition of Aboriginal Services
CAS 3 Issues
Recognition of cultural issues (include atheists in this)
Standard of proof - Plausability
Redfess scheme to support individuals responseive to cultural needs.
Civil litigation as adversarial and evidence requirements are an impediment - needs to be efficient ... viable.
Acknowledged long term issue, suicide rates (first one to recognise this) - onus on inst and govt to locate evidence and to keep records.
Redress does reachout. Cultural needs - of aboriginals is the same for atheists (keeps them in a safer environment)
Govt - lack of govt response previously, viability. Request apologies for threats of torture and threat of Hell by religious and the result of the destruction on their lives. Counseling helps but is far short of the real needs. Culturally aware, not alienated - restore their identity. (this is a must) (few others will raise this I believe and should).
Speaks on cultural needs at the core of healing - needs 3 modalities.
Finances 80k: with ceiling 200K
Prefers a national scheme.
CH Institutionalisation be recognised. Aboriginal children forced into Christian environments - how do we reconcile that aspect as well as the sexual abuse
CAS The removal of children as a result of bigotry. Stripping their ciulture was an additional onus.
Adding to that it was an abusive environment meant a comprehensive attack on their culture.
CH Scheme - sets ideals Eligibility and standard of proof
CAS Plausability Each additional year added
CH Matrix
CAS The way evidence is given. Trauma aware, records.
CH Professional reports
CAS Severity, impact and cultural awareness.
GF Cultural healing programs
CAS Not honored by Medicare (Funding). Culturally aware healing suitable for atheists - lack of funding. This is fundamental to healing identity. (YES) No resources.
GF Victims of crime access and civil litigation
CAS Deduction from Victims of Crime requirements structure doe snot support historic cases. Different purposes. Civil redress scheme very different - we see an abuse of trust
---Cultural appropriateness
CAS Culturally approp means a lot of things. Culturally safe environment, The other side is we don't believe - cultural awareness important.
Best presentation yet
SNAP - Nicky Davis
Culture of abuse. Describes culture of abuse by religious. Speaks of the suicide issue in Ballarat
Must have National independent body. Survivor in control. Rehabilitation. Trauma informed servioces and respect.
Exploitation needs to be reigned in. Survivors need support. mental health abused people. Labelling by Mental Health and their use. Help outside the mental health system paid for.
Liability anywhere children are involved. Failures not acceptable - code of silence should be liable. All changes retrospective. Above the law. Use scare tactics.
Redress on accountability not affordability. Tax payer costs. Only band-aid solutions only available. Prison population.
Ballarat trialling a support structure. Case worker essential.
CH If no national scheme where to?
SNAP Has to be a National scheme. Recovery - we have been denied so much in our lives. Speaks of the plan to fail.
CH What will provide justice. "recognition payment"
SNAP altenatives needed.
CH What do you se the $$$ doing - what will it achieve justice.
SNAP Healing needs not being met - lawyers taking a slice, exploitation.
CH Thinking about an amount.
SNAP Has a garden very theraputic
CH Any further thoughts send them to us via website
KIM Kimberly Redress via WA redress schemes have not translated in quality services.
Redress from a Human Rights process. Guiding principles be fair, transparent, clear and defend processes, avenues for review, lawyer assistance applications.
Type of scheme - strongly support national scheme.
National scheme is best option. WA govt aim seen as a risk.
Collective redress involves collectives of individuals to come forward. Failure to attract a viable response is a failure in itself.
Calls for a high end payment - two fold one purpose is to provide a substantial difference in someone's life. $200K insufficient.
Process and scheme may look. Scheme that had potential now closed.
Interim redress, interim payment.
CHAIR Speaking on the amount of money.
CHAIR Might provide justice through redress. What are the drivers of the amount of money.
The use that money may have. The historic disadvantage. Justice in terms of housing.
CH Describes the limitations of the current legal situation yet doe s not say we can recommend different here.
GF re appeal process
Impartial from the institution - appeal process should remain neutral. Appeals mechanism a requirement in eligibility.
GF Who would the appeal be to.
Administering body.
GF
GF ref also to direct personal response - link up with others. Privacy implications
We work with ...
GF What would a culturally safe scheme look like.
High risk of failure, best hope of being culturally relevant and safe - 1 promotion and access. Non written media (videos ???).. Time for the information to get around to all in the community.
MATES unable to appear.
UNITING CHURCH
We have got it this time. Our hierarchy has been abusive.
Christian values are its core.
National scheme. Aligns with the Commission. Reliant on govt directed scheme as the Church unable.
No acknowledgement that threatening children with hell or luring them with rewards is appropriate
More work to be done - more work to be done - more work to be done.
We have been unable to resolve matters.
Flexibility with what we mean by psychological care - definition.
$200K suitable.
Govt should contribute as they rare the regulators
Broad eligibility - Plausability as appropriate standard of proof.
Transparency Deeds of release = an agreement
Interim redress is recommended - requires independence. Removal of SoL
CH (seemed impressed !!!!) are you able to cooperate with other churches.
UC We need to explore that - its complicated. We have no suitable leadership and have an inability to make decisions.
CH Matrix
UC Nup.
CH
UC Its early days yet - its complex - deals are yet to be worked out.
CH Do we have have to give you help about how to talk to one another.
UC Its alien to us.
CH
UC We are talking about it - its complex. We are slow learners and we worry about who is in power.
RF Equitable treatment across the spectrum of the church.
UC We think we have got it right this time. Our church is fractured and probably not suitable right now.
RF
UC We are trying to learn. We think we have it right but we keep finding obstacles to makign progress and we worry about the money. This is a big issue for us.
GF
UC Child on child abuse - its complex. We still do not admit that children are enculturated into abuse and that ourreligion has played a ;arge role in this. Using threat an dintimidation have not been successful and we look to others to direct uis.
GF Child had a right to be safe
UC None the less. This is clear I have been considering if we shoudl be taking kids into care and we do not know how to treat them with evidence based services as we have a systemic reliance on mythology and superstion as our historic way oddf dealing with children and how we went about covering up the crimes of those in our hierarchy.
1.54 PM EST
NTSGAC From Wave Hill Stolen Generations.
Pays respect to the Stolen generations and those currently in custody.
REPRESENTATIVE In ref to the NT
Appreciate that there are 1000+ children in the NT currently in protective custody - 600+ are aboriginal children from remote locations - the theft of children is still happening. The problem is ongoing. Against a closed redress system - still happening.
Fish Trap - the bar to getting children back into the care of parents and family.
Mr Ryan Its still happening and its gotta stop. Right. What happened now presently happenend in our lifetime. I can tell you what is going to happen to these 600 children. Some will be abused.
They will lose their identity, their family, their culture.
This is what is going to happen to these children. 7 Government institutions each one run by churches. Kids molested in many of them.
Recent months and what happened to his sister.
My sister had a her children removed from her. I am afarid for their dsafety. How do you explain to people who do not know about what actually happened. My people are confused. 600 children will lose evrything - my sister has gone to court today - when is this goinf =g to stop. people deny itis even going to gappen. Its being denied.
I believe we can get justice our of the justice system, I still do.
REP Does notr purport whatthe answer is whatitwants to submis is that redress needs to have 3
theraputic
financial
organisational
redres systemic redress must include recommendation thatmean organisational change for agency, police, DPP offices. Without those things the SG can not have confidence tha a redress system is suitable.
Theraputic - the need for a theraputic element. That element has been an important factor of the common lay systen for decades. For as long as we have had Workers comp. Common law has had damages costs - this should not be controversial. The monetary aspect we endorse . We want to put it on record that we endorse of the submission The Australian lawyers Alliance.
The common theme has a good idea about where the idea i is - I want that opportunity myself.
rely on our homeland communities. Legitimised authority have over-ridden the lore when it comes to protecting our children.
CHAIR Speaking to polic eprosecutions.
Multiple victims.
CHAIR Locations
Out of home care in metropolitan Darwin.
CHAIR help us with an understanding - the foundation or whether there are systemic issues.
Systemic issues. Historically the sexual abuse of children has been a disconnect with the culture of the children and their silencing. A design fault with the operation today.
RF Redress
The matrix needs to accommodate for those who have been aware of the fact that the law and the government of their country has been and remains active against them - this should be calculated on annual basis
