Transcript of meeting with QCS 22/January/2010

Partial transcript of meeting with Queensland Correctional Services QCS - transcribing in progress - incomplete at the time of publication.

 

Video date: January 22, 2010 - 9.30AM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJgKiCxpFMY  Google was requested to remove this and another video - they are now available via the following links Government officer in breach of our Constitution and law  Attemptin gto cover up their mistakes

 

Cayce: I'm Cayce, I'm your new community services officer

JohnB: Okay

Cayce: I'll just open this up so we can access your information.

JohnB: Uhuh

Cayce: It'll just take a second

JohnB: **** (computers can be so slow)

Cayce: Yes they are so slow

Cayce: I guess the first thing I need to address with you is the t-shirt

JohnB: Why is that

Cayce: It. Because its not really an appropriate shirt to be wearing umm thats obviously the one you wore to community service

JohnB: Yes

Cayce: and obviously it can be offensive to some people

JohnB: Oh beg your pardon thats not

JohnB:  and I am offended right here andnow that you should raise that matter and I am going to say to you thatif you raise and continue to raise that matter that you breach thechurch state separation issue.

Cayce: In what way?

JohnB: That is a religious matter. thats not a police thats no a government ...

Cayce: Your not saying that

JohnB: You are out of jurisdiction

Cayce: your not ........ saying ... in the catholic .. the church

Cayce: If your saying you were molested

JohnB: You are out of jurisdiction

JohnB: Excuse me. You are out of jurisdiction if you continue to talk to me aboutthis religious matter

Cayce: Its not a religious matter at all. Its got nothing to do with the church

JohnB: I beg your pardon. What is the complaint?

Cayce: The fact that. The fact that it probably is that your suggesting that (gestures towards the shirt - assume "molested")

JohnB: I am not suggesting anything I am making a statement

Cayce: OK. So you. So you're saying that you were molested by a

JohnB: That statement is as clear as I make it

Cayce: OK

JohnB: I cannot make it any clearer.

JohnB: and then I ask a question

Cayce: OK OK I am going to go

JohnB: I am free to do that

Cayce: Yep and

Cayce OK I am going to go

JohnB: and it is not your role to involve that

Cayce:  Did you wear that to the court?

JohnB: I wear this I could go sit with politicians when I wear this shirt

Cayce: Yep and

JohnB: and the commissioner of police I wear this shirt. I havepublic meetings with ***** I wear this shirt

Cayce: Yes and

JohnB: Yep

Cayce: Irrespective of what I think and believe unfortunately itoffended for the want of a better word the people at that communityservice site

JohnB: How

Cayce: Well I don't know because you know that you don't .... you.

JohnB: Then that

Cayce:  At the end of the day you should know that there are morereligious people who will have an issue with the fact that the Oh youknow

JohnB: Yes

Cayce: they don't believe that

JohnB: Its not your role to take that up their supporting their cause

Cayce: I'm not supporting them at all

JohnB: ... then you bringing me here you bring me here to change my

Cayce: No But I am the go between. At the end of the day

JohnB: **** where government has its jurisdiction

Cayce: OH. That is well beyond my role. I. I fell for you. I completely understand ...

JohnB: Then there should be another *** pertains to the government role** and they were  ** if they are from.  I can tell what I believe thisis about in a sec

Cayce: OK Tell me what you believe this is about

JohnB: I believe this is about maggots in the garbage.

JohnB: This is a place that is open food handling

Cayce: Well I don't know of OK I am going to explain to you its not about err all I can tell you is

JohnB: That I believe is a government issue. The the fact that whatthis woman believes or does not believe has got nothing to do with youor the government or the parole people here

CayceCayce: But can't you

JohnB: I shall l continue. I shall continue to do my community work. Iwear this shirt as part of my community work  I do more. I wear thisevery day on community work and I will not have my government interferein that role.

Cayce: OK Well I think

JohnB: I will continue If you have nothing else to talk about ifmaggots are not of interest to you then I believe I will continue. Ihave 12 months to continue to finish my community service and I shalldo that.

Cayce:  But you won't be able to

JohnB: Why not?

Cayce:  Because you don't have a place to go and do it.

JohnB: I will go there. Thats where I have been assigned.

Cayce:No they have asked for you to not return

JohnB: On what grounds

Cayce:  (Sighs exageratedly) I have explained to you and now I understand

JohnB: And that is not your role to do.

Cayce: Yup

JohnB: Thats a matter of belief.

Cayce: Yup

Cayce: It is my role

JohnB: No its not

JohnB: It is not your jurisdiction ****

Cayce:  I'm I'm the go between

JohnB: If you persist. If you persist I will take this matter to HEROC(Human Rights and Equal Opportunity)

Cayce:  Do you want me to go and get our district manager?

JohnB: If that what it needs to

Cayce:  Because I believe I will not be able to resolve this because

JohnB: We are not.

Cayce: I don't think you are hearing what I am saying (indicates self)

JohnB: I understand what you are saying. I'll tell you I don't believeyou understand the separation of church and state

Cayce: I understand

JohnB: one is a matterof religion and one is the matter of your jurisdiction.

Cayce: I understand it greatly trust me

Cayce: And I know the church's record for pedophilia

JohnB: I. I am not arguing that. I am

Cayce: And and

JohnB: I am not here to discussreligious beliefs with you

Cayce: No They were

JohnB: You tell me what aspect of my conduct was there any issue tothem. Did I not perform the work asked of me?

Cayce: I  I don't know I just got

JohnB:  ..... fixed and I

Cayce: a phone call

JohnB: That where your role sits. Thats where you role sits.

Cayce: I don't know

JohnB: and I have the belief that you don't have jurisdiction.

Cayce:  OK.But at the same time (indicates to the computer)

JohnB: You will not longer **** to continue if you do get your supervisor

Cayce:  You can't return there

JohnB: If. You need to get your supervisor.

Cayce: All right Because I think we are going to have to do at the endof the day is we are going to take you to court and you can explainthis to a court

JohnB: Why should that be necessary that I should have to go to courtover a religious matter?

Cayce:  Because its not a religious matter. You are making it a religious matter. (Points)

JohnB: OH. I'm saying I am trying to ask you what this woman's issue is?

Cayce:  I understand. She was offended by your your shirt

JohnB: Then tell her to go and see a counselor or tell her to take it up with apriest

Cayce: Community service is something they've offered us

JohnB: I don't think you understand that ...

Cayce: They've They've Them They're saying that we will take offenders

JohnB: You have no idea

JohnB: I *** you are out of your jurisdiction

Cayce:  It's their right to say who they can and can't

JohnB: I think you should get your manager

JohnB: I think you should get your manager

Cayce:  OH With pleasure.

JohnB: Thank you.

Cayce: leaves the room



Cayce: returns

Cayce: Allright she is in a meeting at the moment and  with our district manager so I will have to ...spoke with my supervisor. They said if you wish to do community service and you continue to wear that top there is only one group that they would send you to and that's the Satur

JohnB: No I will continue. I will continue with the community service work that I have. I will not have my community service order changed on somebody else's belief system. I will continue as arranged unless you have some reason that the ***

Cayce: But they're entitled to have that belief system have you

JohnB: Sure. And if they have a problem with that take it to Lifeline.You have posters out the front here. Talk to her priest or minister that's a religious matter. That's not a matter for my government to become involved in.

JohnB: Now the fact that does have the potential for some people. This is a community service shirt. I have worn this shirt. There are people hundreds and hundreds of them around the world wearing them.

Cayce: but you're saying that your rights are more important than hers ..

JohnB: I am saying, I am saying what I am saying is this that you have no right to take up her cause on behalf of Corrective Services

 

Cayce: I do

JohnB: No you don't

 

Cayce: We do

 

JohnB:  You represent my government you are meant to treat me equally with everyone. I may be an Atheist, I may be a calathumpian or whatever

Cayce: but your saying

JohnB: You are. You are. I can say to you anything is offensive to me. That shirt is offensive, take it off.

JohnB: Alright.

Cayce: Hmm.

JohnB: And I can tell that you thats a matter of my belief

Cayce: You obviously feel very strongly about this

JohnB: I will take it to the Human Rights Commission if you attempt to enforce a change in my current circumstances based on this issue.

Cayce: Based on this issue the facts are

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JohnB: Your supervisor can contact me if you have anything further to do. I should have your supervisor ring me and apologise for interrupting my day.

Cayce: We will return this to the court under a form 38 for revocation of your community service

JohnB: with that

Cayce: OK because I don't think this is going to be resolved at this level. I will certainly bring this up with my supervisor and ask him to contact you

JohnB:  Yes please.

JohnB: What is your supervisors name?

Cayce: James Male

JohnB: How do I spell that name

Cayce: James and Male. M A L E

JohnB: Does he have a contact number

JohnB: Our number which is 46161600

JohnB: 46161600. And the reference number you folk use. I'll have a number. Could you give me that?

Cayce: Yep D for delta 58902